Folge 10: Writing a tech book

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00:00:11: Hello, lovely people from the Internet.

00:00:14: Welcome to another episode of Increase Cycle Time!

00:00:19: This is a podcast on JobRat and I'm Holger, software engineer in a product team at the PTO which is the Product & Tech Organization at JobRAT And i am sitting here in Hollywood but not alone.

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00:00:43: Hello Urs!

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00:00:45: Hello Holger not alone in Hollywood sounds like a great movie.

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00:00:50: hello dear people from the internet.

00:00:53: as Holger said I am Urs and team lead for Team Developer Experience at the PTO at Jobradt.

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00:01:02: today have guest.

00:01:04: Hi Mo Hello.

00:01:06: And we want to tell you about software development at JobRat in all its facets.

00:01:13: and now, I wish a lot of fun with the new episode.

00:01:19: Moe!

00:01:19: Who are you?

00:01:20: Why are you here today?

00:01:21: Tell us.

00:01:21: Uh...I'm

00:01:22: a Software Engineer At JobRAT and i write code basically ...and one reason is that recently published book about Docker and Kubernetes security, that was also the title.

00:01:38: What a coincidence!

00:01:41: Good thing we invited you but not someone else who didn't write it.

00:01:46: So I think you're in a product team at PDO?

00:01:51: Yes We are basically the same person.

00:01:53: Exactly yes even joined

00:01:56: on the same date.

00:01:58: You

00:01:58: didn't know that.

00:02:07: Yeah, you wrote a book on Docker security.

00:02:13: Could give us a high level intro into the topic?

00:02:17: Maybe just spare out very nitty gritty details

00:02:21: maybe Just before we do that?

00:02:24: dear listeners We won't go too much in to detail I think today with all this tech stuff.

00:02:31: But nonetheless, we will talk about it right?

00:02:34: So don't worry if you don't understand everything about Docker and Kubernetes security.

00:02:40: but Yammel files would discuss Yammal files in details.

00:02:43: yeah We'll read them out of

00:02:44: course Of course.

00:02:45: no we won't

00:02:47: Yeah.

00:02:48: so let's put like this closer.

00:02:53: we have a castle And then the usual security is that guards on devils and stuff.

00:03:01: And that is everyone's doing, then there another part which is more neglected called supply chain security when you have guards of devils.

00:03:12: but the pizza delivery is an infiltrator already in the castle.

00:03:17: so I think thats the main focus to check who's the infiltrator if the pizza deliverer guy is spying it.

00:03:30: Ah, okay.

00:03:32: Maybe you kind of lost me already there.

00:03:34: I'm not an expert in Docker security i'm a front-end guy and every Java could frame it or that.

00:03:39: so pizza delivery guy meaning Yeah we're looking at the system and Requests are people using this system And you need to make sure That The People Using This System Are Actually

00:03:55: Yes So the castle is probably your cluster where you put all of your Docker containers in your server and the pizza delivery guy is the packages that are installed on your container.

00:04:09: And there's no check, so the guards under walls won't check for them.

00:04:14: if the vulnerability already inside the castle then they're already doomed.

00:04:19: yes

00:04:23: But are you though?

00:04:24: Don't you have any chance then?

00:04:25: or...

00:04:26: Yes, yes.

00:04:27: Then you have to rebuild the castle basically and then deploy it.

00:04:34: Great so its a book about castles And how to keep everyone out of your castle.

00:04:38: exactly The best way is that no one in the castle.

00:04:44: So thats first.

00:04:48: Don´t build system.

00:04:49: That

00:04:49: makes another sense.

00:04:53: Why did you write a book in the first place?

00:04:56: What was your motivation?

00:04:57: Yes, I didn't want to do it.

00:05:00: So i was sitting there In a sunny day.

00:05:05: You were bored.

00:05:06: no so that there was this tech publisher.

00:05:08: and then they reached out to me And said please write us a book.

00:05:12: why would they do That?

00:05:13: No one has ever reached out To meet

00:05:22: Like, shortly before that I became a ducker captain and this put me under radar.

00:05:28: And they said you should write the book about ducker... ...and then i said okay..I like supplies of security.... ..and they say to put Kubernetes security also on it because then it will sell better.

00:05:40: So I put both!

00:05:43: Then I started writing in the book.

00:05:45: It took me about two years I think.

00:05:47: Okay?

00:05:49: After it was finished They had some internal reorganization, so they said we don't want your book anymore.

00:05:57: So I said okay sure and can i do?

00:06:00: Do I have the right to this

00:06:02: material?".

00:06:03: They said yes you can find a new publisher!

00:06:07: And that was me basically.

00:06:09: You're self-publishing.

00:06:11: Can you explain in one or two sentences what a Docker captain is?

00:06:15: Okay so the Docker Captain...I think it's someone who knows.

00:06:19: a bit of Docker amplifies the knowledge.

00:06:23: It does some community work, writes blogs that does conference speeches things like that.

00:06:29: and I think became a captain because i was running at Docker Meetup in Freiburg.

00:06:36: so it was...I think In two thousand nineteen I arrived to Freiborg for second time.

00:06:41: before then I was in Amsterdam And there we had meet up every day or something.

00:06:48: So its alot of thing happening.

00:06:51: I arrived to Freiburg, it's a smaller city and then the pandemic hit.

00:06:55: Nothing was happening.

00:06:56: And in two thousand twenty-two i thought okay let me start something because im really bored.

00:07:03: Then i started the docker community In freiburg So that...I've also already been writing blogs.

00:07:12: so thats one connection with jobhat That we can maybe get too later or now as you wish.

00:07:20: I was just about to ask, you said that you wrote the book for two years.

00:07:27: When you finished a book did it need to re-write stuff?

00:07:30: You were writing earlier because it has been outdated already?

00:07:33: Yeah so i think half of this stuff is already outdated.

00:07:38: Maybe its exaggeration but the industry especially in security moves.

00:07:45: So after self-published, then I reached out to many other captains.

00:07:54: They did a lot of review and maybe some editing And they checked if the things are still relevant or they deprecated?

00:08:02: Then basically gave it their fresh brush... ...and then i published six months later in October last year.

00:08:12: And then you need to get a lot of people to read it very quickly because otherwise its outdated again.

00:08:17: Yeah, yeah and after it was published I gave it To A Few Friends.

00:08:22: one is a DevOps engineer in Freiburg Mm-hmm and he read that said okay One tool That You Introduce Here Is Also Already Deprocated.

00:08:30: So Maybe We Should Do Another Edition already.

00:08:33: so this is why i have D version numbers on the books like Like I do minor

00:08:40: Semantic versioning on the book.

00:08:42: That's a thing with books, right?

00:08:45: So they will get outdated rather quickly if you tap into...

00:08:51: Too much details!

00:08:52: Yeah.

00:08:53: or in modern tech In general If we now write The Book On Let us say Claude Code

00:09:03: Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

00:09:06: You need to

00:09:06: be a very quick writer!

00:09:07: Yes

00:09:08: but then the book can.

00:09:10: as good if we would write this book But it will be outdated when you are writing

00:09:17: it Exactly.

00:09:18: It's an interesting spin because i think We talked about earlier in the AI episode for example

00:09:24: That

00:09:25: things tend move even quicker than they already did.

00:09:30: So you wrote that book.

00:09:31: When did she start?

00:09:32: in twenty, twenty three years?

00:09:34: Yes so there was a time when things were already moving fast but not that fast I guess

00:09:39: yeah.

00:09:40: But if he would write the book now about current topics and i think it will be even more of a challenge

00:09:46: Yeah one either.

00:09:50: right to book that is very abstract like There's another container security book not getting too much into details and then you can keep it for maybe five years, but if your hands-on have so many examples or commands there they would be deprecated.

00:10:13: One funny thing was that I had a CI job GitHub actions version which never existed.

00:10:24: So after the book was finished, because the version of the branch name and the branch names were master.

00:10:30: When it was finished they had renamed the branch to main so that the code in this book didn't work anymore.

00:10:35: It

00:10:38: happens!

00:10:39: So when you started writing you weren't working at job right?

00:10:44: Yes

00:10:45: So then job right hired you because he were famous author or

00:10:48: no, not

00:10:49: work together.

00:10:50: Because I imagine it's a lot of work to write book?

00:10:53: Yes so that the story is that there was a Python meetup in job writing.

00:11:00: two thousand twenty three also know twenty four and That was the first Python meet up.

00:11:07: that job brought what's doing here And I thought okay this is nice.

00:11:11: i always wanted too looking to job right because it has a nice office, but I didn't know how the people are inside.

00:11:18: So i said okay...I will sign up for this meetup.

00:11:21: and then in the description they said that they're looking for another speaker because they only had one.

00:11:27: so i signed up for speaking also about maybe decorating python or something like that And That was Nice.

00:11:35: Then The CTO.

00:11:37: back then was there Matthias Wegner I think Jan Was There Engla and I talked to them.

00:11:48: I said, I have this duck hermit top thingy as maybe i should do another one of these at Jabrat.

00:11:54: they said okay let's do it!

00:11:56: And Jabrat hosted one of the duck hermit tops...I told Jan next time that I'm looking for a job..and the rest was

00:12:05: history.

00:12:08: yeah nice.

00:12:09: And then did you work in part-time or something to continue writing your book?

00:12:14: How much

00:12:15: effort is it really, I can't even imagine.

00:12:19: So at the beginning there was more efforts and like... In that phase they were mostly back & forth between me as an editor so it wasn't a lot of time but I had to wait on technical writers or editors for some comments.

00:12:39: Then after I gave the rights to the material, then it was mostly coordinating with... But yeah.

00:12:48: So that's also a lot of work but It was mostly done on my free time Not not in the work-time.

00:12:56: If you would start writing your book now Would you swap the editor for an AI?

00:13:02: To get

00:13:03: quicker

00:13:03: feedback?

00:13:07: Yes and no.

00:13:09: One thing that AI can do better than the editor I had was that, The Editor made some very mechanical comments sometimes.

00:13:18: That's annoying because then you have to discuss with the editor about them With AI and you just ignore it if you think this comment is not relevant.

00:13:28: But its always nice to have a few real people looking into your material, because I can hallucinate and give you false information.

00:13:39: So it would be a two-step process of fast feedback through AI?

00:13:43: And then when you're at more refined stage than let an editor review... Yes

00:13:50: but yeah.

00:13:50: so i will also say that this is maybe traditional publishing versus.

00:13:57: You should be faster.

00:13:59: in the traditional publishing things move more slowly.

00:14:03: This is a historical way of doing things.

00:14:07: And if you're writing the tech book, maybe should make things faster because then you will get outdated too.

00:14:16: Yeah I was just thinking on a matter level.

00:14:19: why would one write a book today in the age of AI?

00:14:23: You can't get any information.

00:14:27: but i think well I'm reading books, technical books right now.

00:14:33: There's at least for me there is a difference.

00:14:36: having like you said the human in the loop... Like one said?

00:14:42: Having someone think about the threat and ideas of that book with some thought in mind has still really value.

00:14:56: but maybe well..

00:14:58: I would agree.

00:14:59: I'm actually just reading a book about coding with AI currently, and people do still write those books.

00:15:06: And of course they use AI in the process of writing those books on yesterday to go get outdated really quickly?

00:15:13: I think you just need to be even more open to that when when writing and when reading.

00:15:21: so Actually The Book I'm Reading is Vibe Coding by Gene Kim and Steve Jaeger.

00:15:29: They when they give examples, they also always say that's at the time of writing.

00:15:35: That is a state-of-the art and what we have seen as result.

00:15:39: but you might very well get different results if do same experiment.

00:15:43: now.

00:15:47: I think it just fair because can't actually guarantee right know whatever your write in book as valid anymore two months later.

00:15:56: But

00:15:56: still you see the thought process, which I think is relevant in two years time even if the technology changes that things we apply there on a meta level are still valid?

00:16:06: Yeah and personally i'm very analog person when it comes to learning.

00:16:12: so do learn lot of better when have paper.

00:16:15: my hands and text marker can just work with them.

00:16:20: compared read an e-book or something, some PDF on the internet.

00:16:24: I find that very tiring and i find myself having a hard time reading through a complete Dora report for example when it's open in the browser because it just feels so um so tiring to scroll through there...I don't..i can't even describe it any better but paper makes more sense for me when it comes to learning.

00:16:45: yeah.

00:16:45: So yes books are probably of value.

00:16:49: But what was your motivation to do it?

00:16:51: Was there the opportunity, let's take it or was it fame...

00:16:55: I don't

00:16:57: know.

00:16:58: is this money?

00:17:00: There were no money in writing books!

00:17:07: So when these publishers came and said yeah you should Also felt that I'm not ready to do it, but yeah.

00:17:13: So that was the opportunity and then i took it It.

00:17:16: there was also a bit uh reluctant in the beginning But they were very persistent.

00:17:22: okay nice Yeah at least well i did not write a book.

00:17:26: i didn't know what i did right?

00:17:27: Well longer Longer things, but i think if i would Think about it will be the challenge i think of.

00:17:39: It's nothing that I or maybe we do on a very, you know You do it on the regular basis But its something different.

00:17:49: Can i do this?

00:17:51: And having an end result in hand which is nice cover and paper.

00:17:59: The publisher did help alot.

00:18:01: so they were pushing me to write it on weekly basis like every week.

00:18:07: Did you put this much effort?

00:18:10: Did you meet the deadline, did you write these many pages on this chapter?

00:18:15: and so they really pushed me to do it because it's otherwise kind of a lot of work.

00:18:22: And you don't see the result instantly.

00:18:24: So yeah

00:18:26: How?

00:18:26: how did she decide what to put in the books so that It works as a complete concept?

00:18:35: If you would write a fantasy book, then he will have the story arc and everything just comes together because it's part of his story right attack book.

00:18:41: Then You can't have a story but its harder.

00:18:45: I guess

00:18:46: yes.

00:18:46: so also in the beginning you had i had to put down The Ark as you mentioned there into a document and then We did the publisher had to verify And then I started with the chapters.

00:19:05: So, uh...I decided to write five chapters on top-line chain security and then five other ones on Kubernetes' security or runtime's security.

00:19:15: Uh..and as I was more interested in the first part it is that the first five chapters became a lot fatter than the other five chapters.

00:19:25: but yeah so its also nice experience too Basically organize your book into chapters and then have it thread of a story.

00:19:36: basically in it.

00:19:38: It's not like people are fighting.

00:19:40: And there is that twist or something, but this tool some Organization

00:19:44: did you have some kind?

00:19:45: Of well if I do a talk at least I try to have as the first thing.

00:19:51: our first thing Is the abstracts and In the abstract i want to outline what do where one for People listening to their to-the-talk want to learn maybe one, two or three things that I wanted to hammer home.

00:20:05: Was it the same when writing a book?

00:20:08: Did you have some messages?

00:20:09: well

00:20:11: really needs to try and... It's been longer.

00:20:14: so also uh then i'm playing again.

00:20:17: usually there is if your are doing a racing game they usually give you the best card in the beginning for experience with this game And then take away another card.

00:20:30: I tried to do the same, give a reader an experience of how their whole book looks like.

00:20:39: How they will learn and then start from scratch... ...and build things up that little bit longer than scrolling through TikTok.

00:20:57: So you didn't do TikToks?

00:21:00: To

00:21:00: advertise your book!

00:21:03: Did something similar?

00:21:04: I would say so.

00:21:08: So

00:21:09: after the book was published in October, so In December.

00:21:15: I came up with this idea that I will do an Advent series but every day I was a publishing blog post That was apart as story of people in Black Forest doing some stuff fighting demons and stuff And then there was a security tip that related to this.

00:21:33: So TikTok format, security tips bundled with the story and I thought maybe it's more interesting because the tech book is long.

00:21:46: people used to TikTok will probably not be very interested in them.

00:21:51: Did they work?

00:21:53: The blog series... Fine, I didn't do much advertisement and then i compiled it into another book as a shorter one.

00:22:02: Ah okay so you had the book out of your advertisement?

00:22:05: Yes yes basically a second book to advertise...

00:22:09: Exactly!

00:22:11: Nice yeah but if we just condensed down those tips into bite-sized stuff doing this on TikTok One minute would be not completely absurd, I think.

00:22:23: Yeah

00:22:24: yeah but yet i don't like my own voice.

00:22:27: so saying myself...I do

00:22:29: like your voice!

00:22:30: Good

00:22:30: thing you're doing a podcast now!

00:22:33: Then I can listen to it afterwards and see if still like my voice.

00:22:37: yes then I will probably put some effort in that.

00:22:41: But I have to learn about making videos and stuff.

00:22:46: maybe I generate some videos.

00:22:50: Yeah, of

00:22:51: course

00:22:51: and since you write it just told us he wrote a second book quickly after the first one are willing to ride third and fourth or

00:22:58: yeah.

00:22:58: no so this is still not out yet.

00:23:00: i just printed some.

00:23:02: you can take look at that printed some proofs sense so they can distribute in the conference time going too tomorrow.

00:23:12: uh...

00:23:12: this doesn't have a version yet.

00:23:14: No, unfortunately.

00:23:16: There's a version inside in these... It has lots of photos.

00:23:22: so if you're not into security then look at the photo.

00:23:24: Version zero

00:23:25: point one point zero?

00:23:28: Yes!

00:23:29: Cool And yeah I will try to put it out next month hopefully.

00:23:35: Yeah and If its a bite-side thing that have stories on stuff Then probably easier to put quickly before is outdated.

00:23:44: Yeah, but that would be one another question.

00:23:47: If you now well... You already have some a kind of nice looking book can we talk about the title?

00:23:56: Sure!

00:23:57: Black Forest Shadow A Dark Fantasy Guide to Docker and Kubernetes Security.

00:24:02: One Question Would Be Now you wrote your first book.

00:24:06: it was a Well I don't know

00:24:08: Classical Book.

00:24:09: It Was a Success i think

00:24:12: Yeah, maybe not in sales but it received some recognition.

00:24:17: So there is this prize the best developed security book of the year.

00:24:23: so he became a finalist.

00:24:24: there didn't win the title But still success.

00:24:29: I would say.

00:24:31: One question will be Would you write after everything that we can talk about things or band?

00:24:40: Did you want to write another book?

00:24:41: Well, that answers it I think.

00:24:44: Yeah

00:24:45: but the different format.

00:24:46: so one other thing was because i worked with a publisher from the beginning... ...I couldn't go crazy as much as what I wanted.

00:24:55: after I took back the rights.. ..I added some jokes and then crazy stuff in like In The Back of The First Book.

00:25:03: there is choose your character kind of thing, Mortal Kombat style to basically credit the people who contributed.

00:25:14: But then I went totally nuts in that second book and did what i like to do going crazy.

00:25:25: So are you going to write a full-fledged fantasy book next?

00:25:29: Yeah...I'm not sure if it's skilled enough But yes, let's see.

00:25:39: Yeah I also asked Chatshipity if it is something that they can do with this.

00:25:43: Chachips said no.

00:25:48: The fantasy part works because you have security tips bundled together.

00:25:52: If its just a story then... You're having no chance!

00:25:57: That's brutally honest!

00:25:59: Wow

00:26:00: but i think thats learning.

00:26:02: and well It's the same for me.

00:26:07: When you do something and you do some thing with your end goal, but if that process is reaching an end goal isn't fun then it can be as promising than it could have been If this project wasn´t fun... Then

00:26:21: its

00:26:21: way way harder!

00:26:23: The chances of skipping this are higher.

00:26:28: And I hear one learning make the process of doing this way more fun.

00:26:33: Exactly, like for the first book I was really pushing myself to do it when I was writing.

00:26:40: in the book The second one i had fun Doing some stuff and then I just put into a book And if it sells or not...I don't care that much because It's been an awesome journey.

00:26:51: Yeah

00:26:52: Nice Awesome!

00:26:58: Could you share one?

00:27:00: One maybe funny mistake you did with the book one funny type or one funny.

00:27:05: I don't know Mistake you did.

00:27:09: yeah,

00:27:10: there is a mistake that they did and not sure if it's funny.

00:27:15: So then when your self-publishing?

00:27:17: There are some things That do have to.

00:27:21: so self publishing works like this.

00:27:22: but you there are multiple channels.

00:27:24: the most may be famous.

00:27:27: one is that give your cover page, cover design and the content to Amazon.

00:27:35: And Amazon has a program that they will publish on demand.

00:27:41: And this system doesn't work in India.

00:27:44: so you can sell the ebook still but it won't print for you in India.

00:27:50: So I thought okay let's also collaborate with an Indian publisher To make it available in paperback format.

00:28:00: And they also started the international distribution, so the Indian version took over my original version and my metadata was kind of corrupted.

00:28:14: indeed The original book stopped showing up on Amazon.

00:28:18: So it's not.

00:28:21: That's funny.

00:28:23: If you wanted more fun experience, maybe I can...

00:28:27: Well it is still annoying a little bit but i guess

00:28:31: Still an interesting topic because do you know where your books sold best?

00:28:37: So geographically

00:28:39: Yes.

00:28:39: so there are these things that Amazon offers.

00:28:43: It´s called KDP Kindle Direct Publishing.

00:28:46: You have demographic of when you sell book.

00:28:52: In which country was it sold, in which format?

00:28:55: And I think It's mostly Germany and the US.

00:28:59: Germany because i did most maybe...i have best network and did the most advertisement Maybe..I didn't do much advertising anyway.

00:29:09: But the U.S Because its in English

00:29:10: Okay.

00:29:11: and India?

00:29:17: The other publisher Data like is not that up to date.

00:29:25: So it still shows as nothing was sold Which is incorrect because I bought my own book through their channel once.

00:29:34: okay, so see how house this quote?

00:29:36: Yeah But we would have to wait on them.

00:29:39: Okay

00:29:40: if people listening to this episode now think well let's write a book What what be the first thing you would advise them to do?

00:29:49: It ok uh i Think.

00:29:53: So I was kind of lucky to have maybe experienced both words and doing traditional publishing or doing a self-publishing.

00:30:03: Both of them had their own benefits, challenges... If it's a tech book you should decide where to go which way.

00:30:16: but that is probably the first thing Think about.

00:30:21: if you want to self publish, You have to learn a lot About how the book should look like.

00:30:27: I don't know where To put page numbers things Like that and then the chapter should start on the right.

00:30:36: If you do with traditional publisher Then you just Try your book And it's handled by the publisher But than you have less control over How crazy can go.

00:30:53: And

00:30:54: would you recommend at all to write a book?

00:30:56: To the

00:30:58: standard

00:30:59: person.

00:31:01: Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:31:03: so

00:31:04: how motivated do You need to be actually go through with it?

00:31:08: yeah So also depends on this topic as it takes A lot of effort and if your doing It for Money is not worth it If you're doing get four i don't say You should do it for learning about the topic, maybe or to some community work.

00:31:29: So you should treat as if your doing a meet-up Or going at conference and talking just because of that And giving information to people.

00:31:40: If you're wanting some benefits then there's not much benefit you can get from

00:31:45: it.

00:31:46: Visibility I guess?

00:31:48: Yeah But yeah

00:31:50: Which is nothing.

00:31:51: Yeah, true.

00:31:52: But you can do.

00:31:53: if you do conference talks probably will get more with ability but Would

00:31:58: just say it's grew your network.

00:32:01: so Do you sell?

00:32:04: Your book to the people you already know anyways and maybe they see they think higher of you or something Or would you say good actually increases your reach?

00:32:13: Good question It is still a bit early too may be said.

00:32:18: So then maybe it should become more viral.

00:32:26: I should put more advertisement efforts on it to give you a concrete answer and that, but...

00:32:33: Well at least after the complete internet heard your podcast today?

00:32:37: Yes!

00:32:38: Nice my sales would skyrocket.

00:32:43: Yeah Speaking of which?

00:32:45: where can we get the book?

00:32:46: this first book is.

00:32:48: there's a website called Docker security.io, and then you have the links to Amazon websites.

00:32:55: because there are multiple Amazon stores depending on where on earth we're probably will click onto that even.

00:33:04: And there is also a direct sale page on the website as well.

00:33:09: in case if want to get the e-book or If your outside of the Amazon rich than I would send it directly

00:33:17: We will put the link in the comments below.

00:33:20: Yes, absolutely do that.

00:33:21: and when you expect your second book to be publicly available?

00:33:27: So I'm going into this conference.

00:33:29: so i didn't think either... You did go through

00:33:32: that conference?

00:33:33: Ah true yes!

00:33:34: Ha ha ha!

00:33:36: You did

00:33:36: got to this conference.

00:33:37: it was awesome!

00:33:38: Yes thank

00:33:39: you!!

00:33:39: So I went to this very nice conference

00:33:41: tomorrow

00:33:42: a few days back.

00:33:46: So because of that I put also on the website a thingy called ducker commandos pack Which has half of the second book and the first chapter after the first book?

00:33:58: so you can take a look if it's not out yet, but If It's Out then it will be Also On The Same Website.

00:34:04: cool.

00:34:06: You're Nice Good good

00:34:08: good

00:34:09: good

00:34:11: or as we Say in German

00:34:16: Yeah, I think.

00:34:18: What does the timer say?

00:34:20: The time you're saying?

00:34:20: we are thirty minutes plus.

00:34:23: that's oh thirty seven minutes plus.

00:34:25: Ah nice!

00:34:26: That is an epic episode.

00:34:28: so i think... ...that would be all from my side if was.

00:34:33: you do not have any other comments..

00:34:36: I do have a lot of other comments but will hold them back for next episodes.

00:34:41: Any last words?

00:34:46: connected back to Jabrat maybe.

00:34:48: One thing that is very nice at Jabrat, you can go crazy and this may be a thread that connects the craziness I put into books with Jabrat.

00:34:59: That's something i really appreciate because people appreciate my craziness And they say Go Crazy Don't Hold Back

00:35:07: Nice!

00:35:08: True Alright.

00:35:10: So then Thank You Very Much.

00:35:15: listening to this and keep commenting.

00:35:18: And buy the book!

00:35:20: Haha,

00:35:21: absolutely do that!

00:35:22: See you

00:35:23: there!